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Hi all,
I recently won a judgment in NC Small Claims Court for a little over $3,000 against a former roommate for back rent. Now begins the fun of collecting it.
I'm relatively new to NC and was surprised to find that NC doesn't appear to allow garnishment of wages - best I can tell, the only 2 ways I will get money are A)Him paying willingly and B)The Sheriff seizing his assets and selling them.

The person has no significant assets that I am aware of - basically a car worth less than he owes on it and some misc personal effects which will add up to less than what he is allowed to protect, so (B) is likely out of the question. If he was going to pay willingly, I wouldn't have had to take him to court, so (A) is likely out of the question also.

The deadbeat is relatively young, has a dead-end job and no college degree so, to be honest, I don't see him trying to buy a house any time soon or having a significant amount of money to seize. I'm also concerned that he may leave the state in the next year or two - which would make the judgment more difficult, at a minimum, to claim.

Something interesting came to mind for me though. He told the judge (I believe in an attempt to gain sympathy) that he had the money to pay me today...of course he was out the door as soon as the judge issued her ruling. If he told the judge he had the money to pay me, but then doesn't list that money when I file with the Sheriff for an execution, doesn't that either could as perjury if he didn't have it, or something (not sure what?) if he doesn't list that when the Sheriff demands his assets? Basically I'm wondering if there is a way I can make this a lose-lose situation for him.

Does anyone have any thoughts/tips on this? To be honest, I don't mind spending more time/money on this than it's worth, as I find it interesting actually.

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If he lived in NC when you got the judgement, you should have no trouble collecting against him no matter where he moves. Courts have to give "full faith and credit" to judgements of other courts, and the only argument against that is that the original court didn't have jurisdiction- but a state court definitely has jurisdiction over residents in its district.

(I am not a lawyer, etc.)

Some interesting info here: http://www.nclabor.com/wh/fact%20sheets/garnishments.htm

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If you know where he banks, you may also be able to garnish his checking account. But from what you describe, that might be a fruitless endeavor.

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Him and I both lived (and still live) in the same county in NC so jurisdiction should not be an issue. I realize the judgment will still be intact if he moves, but other than him willingly paying, best I can tell there is no way for me to get money from him at all once he moves - unless there is something I'm missing.

The link on wage garnishment is interesting, but I would think I fall into the second category under personal debt, so I don't think I can garnish wages

HKnight, I do know where he banks, but keep in mind there is likely to be a small sum of money in the account (I would guess no more than $500) so wouldn't I not be able to touch that as his total assets are under the amount NC lets you protect - or is cash a special case?

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You are in a crappy situation, I situation I myself might be in soon enough. I'm on a month to month lease and will certainly be putting in my 30 days notice long before the amount gets very high. My roommate is an extremely nice and kind person but deadbeat doesn't even begin to describe him.

I don't see how you could put him in a loose-loose situation though. First all he would have to do is say I spent the money between the time in court and the time the sheriff asks for a list of assets. Second I don't know what the punishment for lying in small claims court would even be. After all lying in small claims court happens in almost all the cases. When I was suing a landlord of mine he was caught in a direct lie "The new tenants lease started on August 1st", "Allow me to present a signed copy from the current tenants declaring their lease started June 1st". The judge didn't really seem concerned the guy has just flat out lied to him, he just rather quickly ruled in my favor after that.

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NC may be a special case, but generally I believe that any and all moneys in a bank account are fair game, unless he can show that they are exempt, like SSI payments, somebody else's money, etc. You'd serve the bank with the proper papers, and they'd freeze the account and notify the account holder. The bad news is the bank gets to take out their fees before they pay you, and if the judgment debtor has half a brain he won't put more money in that bank for you to grab again. If you know when he gets paid, you might be able to get most of his paycheck before any of the checks he writes clear the bank.

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Check out these terms...and how they apply to your state:

Domicile (you can transfer your judgment to his new state of residence)

Debtors examination (if he does not show up to court to answer questions under oath about his assets a bench warrant could be issued)

Renew judgement (original judgment, good for 10 years in NC)

ES

P. S. You could also employ a good collection agency to work out a payment plan with him. The public record should already be on his credit reports and hopefully he will want to do something financially eventually and will not be a dirty scumbag, deadbeat his entire life. Other than he is a waste of sperm and that he tried to con the judge in your case...just proves that he has no intention of paying this debt and you might jjust have to collect it the hard way.

Message edited by: ElectricSavant on 2008-10-11 13:33:11 CDT
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Try to get the debt put onto his credit report. I know that you can do this in NYC small claims court after you win a judgment. YMMV, however, especially as we can garnish wages here in NYC.

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It would be up to the prosecutor's office to go after him for perjury, something they are unlikely to do since, as powellm pointed out, it would be pretty hard to prove.

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Generally the bureaus pick up the public record electronically you should not need to do anything...The judgement will show...

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darkmeridian said:Try to get the debt put onto his credit report. I know that you can do this in NYC small claims court after you win a judgment. YMMV, however, especially as we can garnish wages here in NYC.

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Unfortunatley it is not hard to provide a budget that restricts wage garnishment ...in most states they must be filed and filed again every 6 months and you do not get that much money out of them...it is a lot of trouble and skilled deadbeats can really get low payments if any at all..

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darkmeridian said:Try to get the debt put onto his credit report. I know that you can do this in NYC small claims court after you win a judgment. YMMV, however, especially as we can garnish wages here in NYC.

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how did the debt get so big?....

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IMHO, If you knew his situation, it was silly to let the debt get that high and even sillier to sue when you knew there was no way you would get paid.

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Why?

It was only 35 bucks or so...and an afternoon in court....He has 10 years now to try and collect this and he may be able to renew it for 10 more years in NC...not sure...But this deadbeat might get some assets in the next 10 or 20 years...and the bureau report might protect other creditors from him...It's was the OP's civic duty...hehe

Do not forget to file an Abstract of Judgement in the county he lives in OP...

By the way the NC legal interest rate is 8%....you can add that...and update it with a memorandom to the court clerk once a year...

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peachywink said:IMHO, If you knew his situation, it was silly to let the debt get that high and even sillier to sue when you knew there was no way you would get paid.

Message edited by: ElectricSavant on 2008-10-11 15:52:14 CDT
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BigDish said:...doesn't that either could as perjury if he didn't have it, or something (not sure what?) if he doesn't list that when the Sheriff demands his assets?zero chance.

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couldn't you just garnish his checking account right after he gets paid?

Then when he closes and opens a new one find out which bank it's at and garnish that again after payday? Just keep repeating until you get your $$$?

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Another example of why we need to bring back debtor's prison.

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I say wait. If you push it now some cheapo bankruptcy attorney might be able to wipe it. Let him get farther along in life with a better car and job, then show up in about 5 years and collect.

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Hi all,
Thanks for the constructive responses. To the person that wants to blame me for the debt getting so big, hindsight is 20/20. If you must know, he was living with me under the guise of friendship, and moved on once he had used up all his goodwill. I suspect he may have done this before in retrospect.
To answer a few other questions, as I understand it, in NC this is automatically put on his credit report at this point, and will remain there until I notify the state that it is paid (which I am legally required to do within 60 days of him paying it).
Another question is how exactly do I get at the money in his bank account? I always assumed that money in his bank account fell under the $5000 in any property he can protect from execution (see http://www.aoc.state.nc.us/magistrate/small_claims.htm#after) - does anyone know if that is incorrect and it can be seized, period? Is the Execution the proper way to seize money in the bank account, or is there a different way? Thanks!

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