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I am thinking to open a Washington Guaranteed Education Tuition (GET) Program account for my 8-yr-old son. The GET Program is Washington’s 529 prepaid college tuition plan. You prepay for your child’s future college tuition and the value of your account is guaranteed by the state to keep pace with rising college tuition. Please see the details from the link below: http://get.wa.gov/

Does anybody have experience or comments about this program or simailar program? Thank you for the feedback


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It is a usual 529 plan where the payout is guaranteed (by the state), regardless of the rise in tuition. The one thing to note is that the current price you pay to buy a unit (1% or a years tuition) is HIGHER than 1% of the current annual tuition/payout value.

For example: Current unit premium: $101/unit (till Apr. 30)
Current payout value per unit: $76/unit (2009-2010 acad. year).

So you are paying a 33% premium, if you make a lump sum purchase (you pay higher in installment plans). With a 8-yr old, you are looking to use it in about 10 years. Chances are it will be at least 3 years before you even break even.

Percentage tuition increase is likely to be in double digits, at least for the next 2-3 years. Long term, high single digits is not unusual.

Another way to look at it: Say you expect a 8% annual return over the next 10 years on your $101 unit payment. That comes to $218.
Tuition will have to increase, on average, by approx. 11% annually for the next decade for the $76/unit payout to equal $216/unit after a decade. A likely possibility.

One big plus is the "guarantee by the state". The gamble is how much tuition will increase in the next decade and the 33% premium you pay to purchase a unit. So definitely make sure you will be in it for the long haul.

The plan is portable in that you can use it for paying tuition (and other eligible expenses) for virtually any university in the US; just the payout value is determined by WA state public univ. tuition.


There is no way tuition is going to increase by "high single digits" going forward. Higher education is at, or nearing bubble status. People just can't afford to have $50-$100K in debt upon graduation, and they're realizing that a college degree is no longer a sure job. I wouldn't be surprised if college costs go back to rising at the general rate of inflation, in which case the prepaid tuition would be an awful investment. Open up a regular 529 account and invest in a conservative mix of stock and bond funds.


Texas had something similar a while ago. I believe they ended up refunding participants instead of honoring the prepaid tuition guarantee.


How did TX do that? Was there an out in state law or was it not really a guarantee under state law? Curious since the WA GET program makes a good hype/case based on the state guarantee:

"GET's tuition guarantee is backed by the full faith and credit of the State of Washington. That means if future tuition increases ever require the program to pay out more money than it has available, the Legislature is required by state law to provide funding to cover the shortfall. GET is one of only a few state 529 plans in the country with a guarantee in state law."

ETA: That said, the 33% premium on current payout value is quite a large burden to overcome (it takes a while just to break even) As you can see from the charts on their site, there was a large increase in prices last year, presumably to address shortfall and recent large tuition increases.


Laws can be changed without public referendum. After all, Washington is considering imposing an income tax on its residents. I could see capping the benefits at some point.

Generally speaking, higher education is moving towards a more stratified cost system, where list price is high but the average amount paid might be half or even less than that. You see this at the UCs, where tuition has increased 170% in the past ten years, but fewer and fewer people are paying list price because of "return to aid", Federal tax credits like the American Opportunity Credit, and State Cal Grants. Wisconsin recently decided to charge certain majors, like business, more, and soaking law students and MBA students is commonplace at most flagship public universities today. Unfortunately, this forces savers to pay more for college educations, unless they are smart and move resources to grandparents, max out 401k and IRA, etc. (detailed in the FAFSA thread).


I'm currently trying to figure out whether or not to buy two more years of GET credits (200 units) for my 5 yo son, or to go with a different 529 plan I found a blog that has some good information about whether the GET program makes financial sense. http://blog.rlucas.net/finance/wa_get_529/ Be sure to read the comments at the end of the page. Over the years the original author has switched views from saying the GET program is totally the way to go, to now saying you should completely avoid it.

This was the big eye opener...
"During the 2009 academic year the Unit Purchase Cost rose from $76 to $101 a 32.9% increase, however the Unit Payout Value only rose from $67.20 to $76 an increase of just 13.1%. This equates to a MINUS 19.8% LOSS of real value in just one year !!!"


I use the Ohio College Advantage 529 and am very happy with the service. It is available nationwide. Does Washington State credit state income tax for 529 deposits?


jivetimes said:I'm currently trying to figure out whether or not to buy two more years of GET credits (200 units) for my 5 yo son, or to go with a different 529 plan I found a blog that has some good information about whether the GET program makes financial sense. http://blog.rlucas.net/finance/wa_get_529/ Be sure to read the comments at the end of the page. Over the years the original author has switched views from saying the GET program is totally the way to go, to now saying you should completely avoid it.

This was the big eye opener...
"During the 2009 academic year the Unit Purchase Cost rose from $76 to $101 a 32.9% increase, however the Unit Payout Value only rose from $67.20 to $76 an increase of just 13.1%. This equates to a MINUS 19.8% LOSS of real value in just one year !!!"

I have a lot of thoughts about the WA GET. See some posts of mine here:

in the primary FWF 529 thread

Also, in full disclosure, I am the "Rob" in the rlucas blog above, and here's what I wrote there in 2009:

rob says: September 19, 2009 at 12:06 am Dead on analysis. I used exactly this line of thinking and funded the maximum (5 years, $38,000) in March, before the price increase, for a child being born in October. When tuition jumped 14%, and with plans to jump another 14% next year, and even assuming average equity returns for the next 20 years, this low-risk/high-return strategy couldn’t be beat. I’m not convinced it’s as good a deal with the new, dramatically higher prices. When our son is born in the next week or two, he’ll have instate college tuition paid for. Our daughter, 2 years old, also has 500 units paid for (bought in 2007). Before the price increase, and given all the reasons you described, WA GET was the steal of the century. Now, I’m not so sure.


There was recent legislation passed by the WA House giving tuition-setting responsibility to the Universities, capped at 14% in any one year and 9% average over any 15 year period; but I don't think that was signed into law.

Among prepaid tuition 529s, WA GET is superior to almost any other for the following 2 reasons:

1. it is guaranteed by the full faith and credit of the state. In other words it is a legal obligation, which is quite different than what happens in most other states.
2. It is completely transferrable at its then current value to any accredited school, even outside of WA state.

Additionally, back in 2007 and until April 1, 2009, credits were selling for only $70-$76 each, a much smaller premium over the then current tuition; and there was plenty of rumblings about the need to increase tuition meaningfully over several years; AND with the stock market gravely overvalued an inflation-adjusted, fixed-income, tax-free instrument had clear appeal.

Today a lot has changed. The stock market is overpriced, but not wildly so, so it presents a more viable alternative. The cost per unit has risen substantially, as has the premium over current tuition rates (from a 15% premium to a 32% premium). Moreover, with 2 back to back years of 14% tuition inflation, some of the 'easy money' has already been made in the GET. While we could get double-digit inflation ad infinitum, it seems unlikely; one of my posts in the other thread summarized that tuition increases tended to be more substantial during periods of economic contraction and poor stock market performance and less during periods of stock market recovery, which we have been in for 1 year.

At $101 per unit, if tuition increases at only 6-7% per year over the next 20, I think you'll have been happier in a traditional 529 with a mix of asset classes. I myself would NOT buy units at $101, which is why I bought the units at $76 last March more than 6 months before my child was born.


psychtobe said:....At $101 per unit, if tuition increases at only 6-7% per year over the next 20, I think you'll have been happier in a traditional 529 with a mix of asset classes. I myself would NOT buy units at $101, which is why I bought the units at $76 last March more than 6 months before my child was born.

... oh well, sounds like another deal I missed out on


poncedelabank said:I use the Ohio College Advantage 529 and am very happy with the service. It is available nationwide. Does Washington State credit state income tax for 529 deposits?
WA has no personal income tax. So question of deduction/credit does not arise.


Make sure to check the fine print. I remember looking at one of these plans in another state (I think Alabama). It was a similar deal where you buy credits at todays rates (with markup), and then redeem them later on and they guarantee to keep pace with rising costs. However there was a catch in the fine print-- at their discresion, instead of giving you your credits, they could refund all your money with something like 0.1% interest. So then not only do you not get any of the gains due to tuition increase, you lose out on 18 years of reasonable returns.


oopsz said:Texas had something similar a while ago. I believe they ended up refunding participants instead of honoring the prepaid tuition guarantee.

It's still guaranteed. Since tuition was deregulated in Texas, buying into the Texas Tomorrow Fund was a great deal. To make up for the budget shortfall, tuition was increased for non-Texas Tomorrow Fund students, which must have led to even increased tuition costs. It was probably the best investment my parents have made but only for my younger sister.


My experience with prepaid guaranteed state tuition plans is that your son will likely

1) Want to get the heck away from his parents and do college in another state
2) Follow a girl he thinks he is in love with across to country to her college

or the State will reneg on the plan and refund your money.

I think the smarter move would be to get your child a tutor beginning in elementary school to make sure he is good at Math, and continue the tutoring through the SATs to shoot for some scholarships. That is, if he can't throw a football or swing a bat.


tripleB said:My experience with prepaid guaranteed state tuition plans is that your son will likely

1) Want to get the heck away from his parents and do college in another state
2) Follow a girl he thinks he is in love with across to country to her college

or the State will reneg on the plan and refund your money.

I think the smarter move would be to get your child a tutor beginning in elementary school to make sure he is good at Math, and continue the tutoring through the SATs to shoot for some scholarships. That is, if he can't throw a football or swing a bat.

again, for those not listening: WA's GET is nearly unique among prepaid 529s.

1. It is backed by the full faith and credit of the state; it is a legal, contractual obligation that they pay the entire amount owed, or the legislature must commit additional money to pay it. This is different from all but 4 other prepaid 529s nationally.

2. The funds are 100% transferable upon usage to any accredited school, even one out of state, at the then FULL VALUE (as if being used at an in-state school).

Texas changed the rules on their prepaid 529 and is being sued in a class-action lawsuit. However, Texas' plan was not backed by the full faith and credit of the state. The specifics in the TX case had to do with reduced payouts in case of scholarships, etc., and it is being severely challenged in court.

the "Indepedent 529" is a 529 affiliated with a number of prestigious schools, including my alma mater. It also was prepaid. However, if your child did not attend one of the schools on the list, you only got your money back plus 2%. Obviously, that is an unacceptable risk, and makes the Independent 529 a sucker's game.

The WA GET has little or nothing in common with these other imposters.


The new price for the WA GET is $117 per unit, up from $101... a nearly 16% increase which is more than the 14% increase in tuition at UW this year. The program continues to decline in terms of value for new entrants. The price is now up a shocking 67% since the $70 per unit price in 2007.




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